Twenty years later, the intellectual rigor, organizational diversity and ethical basis for those Iraq War protests doesn’t have anything close to a match in the aftermath of the Hamas mass murders.
Pardon m’y French, but this is fucking heartbreaking. And an outrageous calumny. “You can’t unfire the starting gun.” Hamas understands the media and social media and used it …uses it in their war propaganda by being the first to get out the lie.
There was a very lively discussion about the role of the media in these very dangerous times on Nicolle Wallace’s program last night on MSNBC. The NYTs cleared effed up on this one.
Attribution of a claim dies not denote veracity, as you know, e.g., "Trump denied the charges.." You ought to be well aware that Israel too lies in its public announcements. This is reported in the responsible media. The trouble I ser here is that you're carrying water for the Zionist zealots (mostly fundamentslist) Christisns) who portray Israel only as a victim vis a vis the Palestians, which you must know is inaccurate. Where were you on two-state the last thirty years, the last eight years, the last two years? Busy justifying Israel''s collective punishment. Sad. If Dems weren't busy calling people like me anti-semitic and trying to criminalize BDS. we might have avoided October 7.
You mean like when CNN “journalist” said the prime minsters office confirmed there were decapitated babies and then apologized if anyone was outraged because it actually wasn’t confirmed? Fact is you can’t trust the main stream media at all. Anyone who strays from the official narrative is fired and replaced by a prestitute who will stay in line with the narrative. We saw this all through covid. It’s war propaganda and the war is against us and our minds are the target.
The Times did not "take the word" of Hamas. Neither did the
Journal or the Post, which had similar headlines. I agree that the wording should have been different, but attribution was, in fact, in the headline itself. I also agree that the imperfect wording encouraged premature outrage. But your characterization is as overwrought as what you're accusing the Times of. You're using your prestige to obscure the Palestinian cause, denying the humanity of civilians killed there, burying the issue of two-stare, which has languished for decades due to American leaders like Biden, who give only lip service to the Palestinian cause, resulting in the despair, privation, suffering, and desperation of the Palestians now, just the conditions for radical actors like Hamas, which it was Bibi',s intent all these years to bring to the fore, so he wouldn't have to negotiate.
Tom, you are right to point out that the Paper of Record gets it wrong sometimes and that its prestige and influence are dangerous when it misses the mark on matters of grave concern. In this case I think your indictment of the Times is overwrought. Their headline is accurate. Palestinian sources did blame Israel for the hospital explosion. In fact, the cause for the blast has still not been confirmed as Biden -- and the Times -- have it, though it appears from available signs that it was likely to be an errant Palestinian rocket that is the culprit. (We should not trust official statements as the final word, from either sude.) Comparing Times coverage of this to how the paper covvered the threat of Iraq in 2003 (and the trouble with Hillary in 2016) is breathtakingly overstated. It does not compare at all. Moreover, the Times coverage of the plight of the Palestinians has been seriously skewed in favor of the Israel cause, one of the primary causes we can say that the Palestinian state of affairs went almost completely ignored all these years, fomenting rage among the people over when the the US would finally live up to its two-stare promise. Comparing a lone and lonely fugure like Omar, desperate on behalf of her brethren, with the likes of Judith Miller-manipulating Dick Cheney, the evil mastermind of the war you protested, is overkill on an astonishing level. I'm shocked at how all in you're going for the militant Zionist line, far beyond natural and appropriate support for Israel. It is so unbalanced and unhelpful. Please reconsider.
Pardon m’y French, but this is fucking heartbreaking. And an outrageous calumny. “You can’t unfire the starting gun.” Hamas understands the media and social media and used it …uses it in their war propaganda by being the first to get out the lie.
There was a very lively discussion about the role of the media in these very dangerous times on Nicolle Wallace’s program last night on MSNBC. The NYTs cleared effed up on this one.
Marshall McLuhan was right.
Attribution of a claim dies not denote veracity, as you know, e.g., "Trump denied the charges.." You ought to be well aware that Israel too lies in its public announcements. This is reported in the responsible media. The trouble I ser here is that you're carrying water for the Zionist zealots (mostly fundamentslist) Christisns) who portray Israel only as a victim vis a vis the Palestians, which you must know is inaccurate. Where were you on two-state the last thirty years, the last eight years, the last two years? Busy justifying Israel''s collective punishment. Sad. If Dems weren't busy calling people like me anti-semitic and trying to criminalize BDS. we might have avoided October 7.
You mean like when CNN “journalist” said the prime minsters office confirmed there were decapitated babies and then apologized if anyone was outraged because it actually wasn’t confirmed? Fact is you can’t trust the main stream media at all. Anyone who strays from the official narrative is fired and replaced by a prestitute who will stay in line with the narrative. We saw this all through covid. It’s war propaganda and the war is against us and our minds are the target.
The Times did not "take the word" of Hamas. Neither did the
Journal or the Post, which had similar headlines. I agree that the wording should have been different, but attribution was, in fact, in the headline itself. I also agree that the imperfect wording encouraged premature outrage. But your characterization is as overwrought as what you're accusing the Times of. You're using your prestige to obscure the Palestinian cause, denying the humanity of civilians killed there, burying the issue of two-stare, which has languished for decades due to American leaders like Biden, who give only lip service to the Palestinian cause, resulting in the despair, privation, suffering, and desperation of the Palestians now, just the conditions for radical actors like Hamas, which it was Bibi',s intent all these years to bring to the fore, so he wouldn't have to negotiate.
Tom, you are right to point out that the Paper of Record gets it wrong sometimes and that its prestige and influence are dangerous when it misses the mark on matters of grave concern. In this case I think your indictment of the Times is overwrought. Their headline is accurate. Palestinian sources did blame Israel for the hospital explosion. In fact, the cause for the blast has still not been confirmed as Biden -- and the Times -- have it, though it appears from available signs that it was likely to be an errant Palestinian rocket that is the culprit. (We should not trust official statements as the final word, from either sude.) Comparing Times coverage of this to how the paper covvered the threat of Iraq in 2003 (and the trouble with Hillary in 2016) is breathtakingly overstated. It does not compare at all. Moreover, the Times coverage of the plight of the Palestinians has been seriously skewed in favor of the Israel cause, one of the primary causes we can say that the Palestinian state of affairs went almost completely ignored all these years, fomenting rage among the people over when the the US would finally live up to its two-stare promise. Comparing a lone and lonely fugure like Omar, desperate on behalf of her brethren, with the likes of Judith Miller-manipulating Dick Cheney, the evil mastermind of the war you protested, is overkill on an astonishing level. I'm shocked at how all in you're going for the militant Zionist line, far beyond natural and appropriate support for Israel. It is so unbalanced and unhelpful. Please reconsider.